November 2003
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November 2003
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This E-mail talks about:


Maxum Electrical Recall:

Bilge Pump DC Power:

Generator set starving for water on a 4600 SCB:

Painting the Bilge:

Fuel Shut off valves:
Many voice have stated the need for mandatory fuel shut off valves on all boat fuel tanks.


So I asked Peter Eikenberry of the USCG Office of Boating Safety.

Wiring problems cause the majority of boat fires:

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"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity!" R. A. Heinlein

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Here we go.

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Maxum Electrical Recall:


Peter_Lorenz@msn.com writes:

Hi James, I have a question re recall 020111S. re electrical.This recall was published in the Boat US July issue. Maxum has authorized to do just the inline fuses between starter and isolator. According to them, no sheathing is required from battery switch to starter. This was confirmed by USCG- same guy we wrote to. Furthermore they have not revealed anything about a recall for fuses between batteries and charger. I have a 46' Maxum. Also windlass conductor has no sheathing. What are you hearing, because I am being told these things do not apply to the 46'er. Peter


Peter, US Marine has left the correction in the hands of the dealers technicians. There is no "exact" detailed fix for each model, they have a generic correction diagram. Again it was left up to the dealers technician as to what to do. I suspect over 80% of the "repaired" boat are not being done properly. I have no say in this. US Marine decided it was to time consuming to detail the correction for each boat. I strongly suggest you send your question to Dave Crosby, US Marine, Director of Service dave.crosby@bcfamilyboats.com. I would love to see his answer.

Regards, Capt. James Clausen, MV Summer School


I have this from Dave Crosby, on October 25th.
PS: I already asked Dave for the list of boats with battery charger fusing issues he is referring to.

Hi Jim....

I know you have been trying to reach me and I hope you have been told I'm not in the office taking calls and emails. If you are calling about the recall conversation we had several weeks ago, please be advised we have met with Engineering and we are planning to go out with a mailing to owners/dealers involved. The list is short but there are some boats, like yours, (4600 SCB), that will need addressing. Dave Crosby

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Bilge Pump DC Power:


This started on the website forum and was Interesting enough to include in the monthly E-mail

I have been asked recently by three different people how their boats bilge pumps are wired.
I though that the answer to this was clear enough, and general enough to be shared with all of you.
Here goes.

Typically the way a boat builder wires the boats bilge pumps is: They provide power to the pump from the same DC battery from two different current protected sources. (1st) Near the battery disconnect switch there are usually bilge pump fuses or circuit breakers, these provide DC+ power to the bilge pumps float switch, even if the battery disconnect switch is turned off. The (2d) source is the bilge pumps switch on the dash, here you can manually turn on the bilge pump, bypassing the float switch. The power for the dash switch is typically protected via fuses or circuit breakers at the dash panel. Again please note that the power from these two sources are from the same battery, but from different areas inside the boat and therefor must be protected via separate current protection devices. Please also be aware that while this is the typically how a boat is wired, yours may not be, due to age, construction techniques, or whim of the electrical engineer. PS: The light in the bilge pump switch, if so installed, will light if either the dash switch is turned on or the float switch is on. Jim Clausen

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Generator set starving for water on a 4600 SCB:

Jim, another interesting item--

We have the Westerbeke 12.5 KW diesel generator option on our 4600 SCB.  Factory installed.  For the longest time, we have had problems with the generator quitting due to the overheat sensor shutting the system down.   With all the trash in the water here, I had thought we were just ingesting seaweed, etc.  The problem was particularly bad when we were running.   Could usually get it going again by backflushing the line at the strainer.

Same problem last week while we were on a plane.  I got to it while we were underway, and found that with the high speed of the hull over the water, there was a vacuum being created in the seawater intake (which is located near the starboard rudder post.)  This was causing the system to siphon back, stopping the raw water flow, starving the generator. 

The factory had installed a round, convex cover with holes about 1/4", on the hull, about 4 inches in diameter.  We replaced this with a scooped intake, and solved the problem.  'Course that wouldn't be the end of it, I had to replace the raw water pump due to the continuous overheating from the past. All runs great now. 

Steve Rudolph, Seasleigh1@aol.com

Here's a PS: I also have the 4600 SCB and have had no such problems. I fully believe that Steves was very real, he's a real boater, not a docksucker. Steves cure was one that other Maxum Owners have made, but the difference is that they made this on their engine water intakes, usually by reversing the intake scoops to face forward. Operating a boats in different conditions, that are made just a bit differently, or have a transducer placed in front of an intake scoop all provide variables which can cause different operational problems. Jim Clausen

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Painting the Bilge:

Nick, NStaraceII@aol.com writes:


Hi James,

Any thoughts on the attached email and my engine room paint project?
Cheers,

My engine room compartment and bilge has reached a point beyond cleaning. I really think I need to give it a good paint job. Can you please tell me the paint color and specification to enable me to buy it from one of the Maxum dealers. Far out question ..... what about using a white Rustoleum? I have always had excellent experience with this paint, although not for marine applications.

Mon Tresor II continues to perform nicely and is looking very sharp after her spring wash/wax.
Many thanks. Nick Starace


Nick, Your bilge is "painted" with Gel Coat. US Marine 1975-2000 White Base Coat #6 F50 F7220 made by Spectrum Color, Auburn Washington. It is a Polyester Resin with a shelf life is 8 months.
Regards, Capt. James Clausen, MV Summer School

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Fuel Polishing:

I know there has been a thread on this subject, however, I would like to explore an additional phase on this. I have just installed a Gulf Coast Filter and Walboro pump per the instructions.  I felt that there was a problem with the fuel based on the fuel odor (rotten) and the engine Racor filters had much black slime in them.  Now that I see how much stuff came out of the Racors,  I am wondering how to get this out of the tank. I believe Belgoes is out of business where I bought the filter and pump and they sold a product called Soltron that was supposed to assist in returning the sludge back into suspension so the Gulf Coast filter could remove it. Anyone have experience with this?  The boat has 2  large Diesel tanks and has not had enough use to keep the fuel fresh. I have always treated the fuel for winter storage but it still got the algae.


Fuel Polishing, Again.

I have twin 450C Cummins diesels, 200+ Gallons in each tank, and boat in the Florida sun. The boat has been idle for most of the year, (we leave on May 24th for 9 weeks to make up for that). But, back to fuel polishing, the best way to polish fuel is to use it up, and buy fresh fuel. If your fuel smells stale it is, either use it up or have it removed and replaced. Second, keep algaecide in the fuel, run the engines, and drain the pre filters (Racors usually) of water and sediment by the bottom of the bowl after every other fill up. A diesel will naturally polish fuel through the return line to the diesel tank. Third, call in a fuel cleaner to polish your fuel at the dock. We have them the East and West coast in Florida. Ask your marina or your fuel dock for their number. Lastly, I would install a fuel polisher.
We have had water and algae in our starboard tank, this year, I added an algae killer and a water absorber, then ran the tank down, I got to 1/8 of a tank before I plugged the Racors, I drained the fuel bowl and was able to finish my run @ 70% power. Then changed all the fuel filters and put in fresh fuel. Yes, my plan was to use the boats Racors to do the removal. When the algae dies, it leaves behind the bodies of the guilty and they have to be removed from the tank somehow.
I'm in favor of clean fuel and have considered a fuel polisher, but I've already complicated my life enough and don't need an additional system on board. Especially one that cuts into the fuel system. I do use vacuum gauges on my Racors to show the condition of my fuel filters. An extremely good investment considering 90% of diesel problems are fuel related. I have never had my diesel fuel smell stale, I use a cetane booster from Racor every time I fuel up. Cetane is to diesel as Octane is to gas. Good diesel is 40 cetane, Cummins tests their diesels engines and rates them @ 44 cetane. A Cetane booster will raise the cetane to that level and put additional additives into the fuel to add to a clean burn, proper upper cylinder lubrication and algaecide. One Gallon of Racor's Diesel Conditioner Plus +, treats 2,560 gallons of fuel.

Captain Jim Clausen, MV Summer School

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Fuel Shut off valves:
Many voice have stated the need for mandatory fuel shut off valves on all boat fuel tanks.


So I asked Peter Eikenberry of the USCG Office of Boating Safety.


Peter Eikenberry
-----Original Message-----
From: BillEGates@aol.com [Mailto:billegates@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:44 AM
To: Eikenberry, Peter
Subject: Peter, Can you clarify whether a shutoff valve is required by the USCG on Diesel fuel tank installations.

Peter, I found this "letter to the editor" in Professional Boatbuilder, October/November 2003 issue.
Can you clarify whether a shutoff valve is required on Diesel installations.
I hope this E-mail finds you well. I will not be attending IBEX this year.

Jim Clausen, Orlando, Fl
CaptainJim@maxumowners.org



Fuel Systems for
Pleasure Craft, Part One

To the Editor:

In "Fuel Systems for Pleasure Craft, Part One" (PBB No. 84, page 82), Dave Gerr calls for mandatory remote fuel shutoffs on all boats. I agree with this; it would be a great improvement for onboard firefighting. However, Coast Guard CFR regulations do not make it very clear whether fuel shutoff valves (remote or not) are required for diesel.

CFR 33 183.568 states that a fuel shutoff valve is required only when the line from tank to carburetor is below the top of the tank and an electrically operated stop valve at the tank withdrawal or antisiphon device is not present. If these conditions are present and the top of the tank is below the carburetor inlet, a shutoff valve shall be installed directly at the tank, readily accessible from outside the compartment. I had to read the CFR language a few times before I could translate this. Does the mention of carburetor mean this does not apply to diesel? At least diesel tanks are regulated by 33 CFR to have all openings at the top of tanks.

Luckily, American Boat & Yacht Council Standards and Technical Information Reports for Small Craft (H 33.14.2) clearly state, "A shutoff valve is required at the fuel tank in systems where fuel may siphon, and in gravity feed systems."

The burning boat pictured in the article was said to have all the required fuel shutoff valves on the tanks. However, without remote pulls on the valves, the setup might not have
allowed the crew to use the valves.

There is another voluntary standard for boatbuilders. The National Fire Protection Association publishes ATPA 302 Fire Protection Standard for Pleasure and Commercial Motor Craft Section 5-6.4.4 states, "A readily accessible manual shutoff valve shall be installed on all fuel tanks directly at the tank connection, except on those fuel systems provided with antisiphon protection." They make one more statement in 5-6.4.4 that Dave Gerr will be happy to see: "if the fuel tank(s) is located in machinery space(s), a remotely operated means of closing the valve(s) without opening machinery spaces shall be provided."

Colin Daugherty
Chicago, Illinois


And the answer from: PEikenberry@comdt.uscg.mil

RE: Peter, Can you clarify whether a shutoff valve is required by the USCG on Diesel fuel tank installations.

First let me say that when you read the CFR the first thing you have to read is the beginning of the subpart that says applicability. This tells you what the regulation applies to and any exceptions there may be. Additionally these regulations apply only to recreational boats. There are Separate regulations for commercial passenger carrying vessels.


Sec. 183.501 Applicability.
(a) This subpart applies to all boats that have gasoline engines, except outboard engines, for electrical generation or mechanical power for propulsion.

Put simply, this does not apply to diesel powered vessels, unless they have a permanently installed gasoline engine onboard, such as a generator.

In the letter below the standards referenced are voluntary standards. However, for liability and safety reasons most of the industry follows these standards. They are American Boat and Yacht Council (ABYC) and National Fire Protection Association (NFPA). Both of those standards do require remotely controlled shutoff valves for diesel installations. There are also the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) and the ISO (International Organization for Standardization) standards. The ISO standards are mandatory in the European Union and many other countries.

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Wiring problems cause the majority of boat fires:

BoatUS Marine Insurance states that 55% of boat fires over the last two years were from AC, DC, or Electrical Appliances. DC shorts accounted for 30%, DC engine regulator 12% and shore power 4%. The number two cause was engine and transmissions overheating, which was 24% of the claims. Boat US says that regular replacement of the engines impeller would have prevented most of these fires. Fuel leaks were number three @ 8% of the claims
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Master Mariners:

Our Master Mariners know all there is to know about their boats and share their knowledge with other owners of the same model boats, They are the repository of knowledge about the boat. The smaller the boat the easier it is to know. Some of our Master Mariners get E-mailed monthly, some once and quarter. Usually they are people who have owned boats before and plan on keep this particular boat for a while.
There are still a few models open, are you interested?

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Boats For Sale:
Parts For Sale:

Yes, you can list your boat for sale on the Maxum Owners Website, if you a paid member its free. Parts can be listed by anyone for free. If your a paid member, and want to list your boat for sale, send me your boat description and particulars, along with photos if you have them. Jim Clausen mailto:billegates@aol.com

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